davislove 0 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Every QB has their flaws. PJ was five star JR season, and got hurt and got rusty. Announced early, didn't do tons of camps, but had phenomenal SR year. He was going to get a fifth star on a few sites, but looked rusty at AA scrimmage in 5 snaps, after being switched over to playing BB mode on his really good HS team. He drops a bunch in ranking on 5 snaps in a scrimmage? Meanwhile Mr #1, whose HS coach is the HC for AA game, gives him all the snaps and he throws 2 picks and fumbles twice, but he doesn't drop? Like I said politics. I'll take the word of people in west PA, top coaches at elite schools, etc who believe this kid is a stud. Like I said I worry more about who will be coaching PJ here. I agree PJ is a stud. I think camps try to screw with how he throws the ball which is my biggest fear for him at ND. Leave him alone. While Florida and Texas get all of the praise for having talent, PA is vastly underrated. We should continue to fish this pond and hope PSU don't run us out the way OSU ran us out of ohio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRizz 5 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I still can’t believe we closed with Patterson and Boykin. Only late curveball against us was not getting Eason for depth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Gruene 26 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I still can’t believe we closed with Patterson and Boykin. Only late curveball against us was not getting Eason for depth 17 of 24/7’s people crystal balled Boykin to Virginia on the day he committed to ND. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRizz 5 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 17 of 24/7’s people crystal balled Boykin to Virginia on the day he committed to ND. Meant only late curveball that didn’t go our way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend 587 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Quarterbacks are rarely rated appropriately in recruiting because that position has so many it factors to go along with it —IQ-can he learn the plays —Leadership-can he handle the pressure —Offense-is the offense catered to his skills or will he have to cater to the offense —Decisions-can he find the open guy when they’re covered by significantly better DB’s —Dedication- Will he train, watch tape, handle himself off the field, etc. Most of the QB’s in the NFL weren’t heralded recruits Matt Ryan Drew Brees Aaron Rodgers Case Keenum Teddy Bridgewater Sam Bradford Mitch Trubisky Carson Wentz Nick Foles Kirk Cousins Dak Prescott Russell Wilson Blaine Gabbert Jimmy Garoppolo Jared Goff Marcus Mariota Blake Bortles Tom Brady Ryan Tannehill Jay Cutler Nate Peterman Josh Mccown Joe Flacco Ben Roethlisberger Andy Dalton Deshone Kizer Seimeian Derek Carr Philip Rivers Alex Smith Pat Mahomes About 31 NFL QB’s that weren’t TOP QB recruits (most of them being very low rated) Pretty sure NONE OF THESE GUYS WERE HIGHLY RECRUITED Which leaves Eli Manning Jameis Winston Cam Newton Matt Stafford Carson Palmer Deshaun Watson Andrew Luck Tyrod Taylor So you have about 8 “top” QB recruits that have been successful in the NFL recently This is INCREDIBLY off the mark. If I had time to go fill in the blanks for you, I would. But, most of the guys feom both lists were at least 4 star recruits which is “top.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LasVegasIrish 0 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 This is INCREDIBLY off the mark. If I had time to go fill in the blanks for you, I would. But, most of the guys feom both lists were at least 4 star recruits which is “top.” Matt Ryan - 3 star #833 recruit Drew Brees - Not ranked, early days of site but he wasn't highly recruited Aaron Rodgers - Not ranked out of HS (went to a JC), only offer out of JC was Cal Case Keenum - 2 star #1818 Teddy Bridgewater - 4 star #98 Sam Bradford - High 3 star #306 Mitch Trubisky - 4 star #206 Carson Wentz - Not ranked Nick Foles - 3 star #613 Kirk Cousins - 3 star #1302 Dak Prescott - 3 star #601 Russell Wilson - 3 star #1102 Blaine Gabbert - 4 star #35 Jimmy Garoppolo - 2 star #2034 Jared Goff - 4 star #213 Marcus Mariota - 3 star #491 Blake Bortles - 3 star #814 Tom Brady - doesn't go back far enough, but we all know his backstory Ryan Tannehill - 3 star #630 Jay Cutler - Not ranked, early days of site Nate Peterman - 4 star #369 Josh McCown - not ranked, early days of site (not highly recruited) Joe Flacco - 3 star #365, early days of site (not highly recruited) Ben Roethlisberger - not ranked, early days of site (not highly recruited) Andy Dalton - 3 star #707 DeShone Kizer - 4 star #242 Trevor Siemian - 3 star #596 Derek Carr - 4 star #315 Phillip Rivers - not ranked, early days of site (pretty sure he had solid recruiting interest) Alex Smith - 2 star #1300 Pat Mahomes - 3 star #398 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamaraPolice 0 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Matt Ryan - 3 star #833 recruit Drew Brees - Not ranked, early days of site but he wasn't highly recruited Aaron Rodgers - Not ranked out of HS (went to a JC), only offer out of JC was Cal Case Keenum - 2 star #1818 Teddy Bridgewater - 4 star #98 Sam Bradford - High 3 star #306 Mitch Trubisky - 4 star #206 Carson Wentz - Not ranked Nick Foles - 3 star #613 Kirk Cousins - 3 star #1302 Dak Prescott - 3 star #601 Russell Wilson - 3 star #1102 Blaine Gabbert - 4 star #35 Jimmy Garoppolo - 2 star #2034 Jared Goff - 4 star #213 Marcus Mariota - 3 star #491 Blake Bortles - 3 star #814 Tom Brady - doesn't go back far enough, but we all know his backstory Ryan Tannehill - 3 star #630 Jay Cutler - Not ranked, early days of site Nate Peterman - 4 star #369 Josh McCown - not ranked, early days of site (not highly recruited) Joe Flacco - 3 star #365, early days of site (not highly recruited) Ben Roethlisberger - not ranked, early days of site (not highly recruited) Andy Dalton - 3 star #707 DeShone Kizer - 4 star #242 Trevor Siemian - 3 star #596 Derek Carr - 4 star #315 Phillip Rivers - not ranked, early days of site (pretty sure he had solid recruiting interest) Alex Smith - 2 star #1300 Pat Mahomes - 3 star #398 Love this, so on the mark. But let me say this, if there’s one position that thrives in college and doesn’t translate to the nfl, it’s qb. Just look at the list of Heisman winning qb’s since 2006 and tell me the common thread: Troy Smith (4 Star - 191) Tim Tebow ( 5 star - 21) Cam smith (5 Star - 26) Robert Griffith III (4 Star - 293) Johnny Manziel (3 Star - 374) Jamies Winston (5 Star - 13) Marcus Mariota (3 Star - 491) Lamar Jackson (3 Star - 409) The college game utilizes dual threat qbs far more than the NFL. That’s the true list to evaluate. That’s a high turnout of 5 stars too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goirish83 0 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 This is INCREDIBLY off the mark. If I had time to go fill in the blanks for you, I would. But, most of the guys feom both lists were at least 4 star recruits which is “top.” You just got burned bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jersey Irish 205 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Every QB has their flaws. PJ was five star JR season, and got hurt and got rusty. Announced early, didn't do tons of camps, but had phenomenal SR year. He was going to get a fifth star on a few sites, but looked rusty at AA scrimmage in 5 snaps, after being switched over to playing BB mode on his really good HS team. He drops a bunch in ranking on 5 snaps in a scrimmage? Meanwhile Mr #1, whose HS coach is the HC for AA game, gives him all the snaps and he throws 2 picks and fumbles twice, but he doesn't drop? Like I said politics. I'll take the word of people in west PA, top coaches at elite schools, etc who believe this kid is a stud. Like I said I worry more about who will be coaching PJ here. ND has done very well over the years with QBs who played their HS ball in western Pa. and Phil will just add to the list of those who went before him and starred at ND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObieKnobbe 47 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 No doubt. Thank you to all of you guys. I am hooked on recruiting because of you all. I'm always interested to see guys ND missed on who are playing on other college teams or in the pros. Guys like Agholor and Darby playing in the Super Bowl, for instance. Yes thank you very much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LasVegasIrish 0 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 You just got burned bro Wasn’t meant as a burn. I just had the time this morning so I posted it for reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtLeastMySisWasIrish 0 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Love this, so on the mark. But let me say this, if there’s one position that thrives in college and doesn’t translate to the nfl, it’s qb. Just look at the list of Heisman winning qb’s since 2006 and tell me the common thread: Troy Smith (4 Star - 191) Tim Tebow ( 5 star - 21) Cam smith (5 Star - 26) Robert Griffith III (4 Star - 293) Johnny Manziel (3 Star - 374) Jamies Winston (5 Star - 13) Marcus Mariota (3 Star - 491) Lamar Jackson (3 Star - 409) The college game utilizes dual threat qbs far more than the NFL. That’s the true list to evaluate. That’s a high turnout of 5 stars too. Forgot Charlie Ward! Though he did play for the Knicks, if I remember correctly he was the fist to win the Heisman and not have it translate into an NFL career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDomer 1,316 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) Forgot Charlie Ward! Though he did play for the Knicks, if I remember correctly he was the fist to win the Heisman and not have it translate into an NFL career. I thought that was Andre Ware.......... Edited February 12, 2018 by TexasDomer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown_9999 1,070 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Forgot Charlie Ward! Though he did play for the Knicks, if I remember correctly he was the fist to win the Heisman and not have it translate into an NFL career. Actually, technically speaking, Jay Berwanger was the first person to win the Heisman and not have it translate into an NFL career. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Berwanger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davislove 0 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Matt Ryan - 3 star #833 recruit Drew Brees - Not ranked, early days of site but he wasn't highly recruited Aaron Rodgers - Not ranked out of HS (went to a JC), only offer out of JC was Cal Case Keenum - 2 star #1818 Teddy Bridgewater - 4 star #98 Sam Bradford - High 3 star #306 Mitch Trubisky - 4 star #206 Carson Wentz - Not ranked Nick Foles - 3 star #613 Kirk Cousins - 3 star #1302 Dak Prescott - 3 star #601 Russell Wilson - 3 star #1102 Blaine Gabbert - 4 star #35 Jimmy Garoppolo - 2 star #2034 Jared Goff - 4 star #213 Marcus Mariota - 3 star #491 Blake Bortles - 3 star #814 Tom Brady - doesn't go back far enough, but we all know his backstory Ryan Tannehill - 3 star #630 Jay Cutler - Not ranked, early days of site Nate Peterman - 4 star #369 Josh McCown - not ranked, early days of site (not highly recruited) Joe Flacco - 3 star #365, early days of site (not highly recruited) Ben Roethlisberger - not ranked, early days of site (not highly recruited) Andy Dalton - 3 star #707 DeShone Kizer - 4 star #242 Trevor Siemian - 3 star #596 Derek Carr - 4 star #315 Phillip Rivers - not ranked, early days of site (pretty sure he had solid recruiting interest) Alex Smith - 2 star #1300 Pat Mahomes - 3 star #398 Back in the good ole days a qb would sit and learn for a few years. Now if you're a top qb you get thrown to the wolves, oftentimes on bad teams. We all know qb's get too much credit for wins and too much blame for loses. Before you can come to a conclusion you have to see where they were drafted and to what team. How many years before they took over. Does the team have any wr's? A lot of people feel troy aikman is a hof'er simply because of the talent around him. This post wasn't directed at lv. His post just had the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yikityyakirish 0 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) This is INCREDIBLY off the mark. If I had time to go fill in the blanks for you, I would. But, most of the guys feom both lists were at least 4 star recruits which is “top.” Well...since youre often a dick....I will enjoy saying....WRONG Edited February 14, 2018 by yikityyakirish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon33dn 0 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Well...since your often a dick....I will enjoy saying....WRONG your =\= you're Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown_9999 1,070 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 This is INCREDIBLY off the mark. If I had time to go fill in the blanks for you, I would. But, most of the guys feom both lists were at least 4 star recruits which is “top.” You were INCREDIBLY off the mark. LasVegasIrish had time to go fill in the blanks for you, (he did). But, most of the guys from both lists were not 4 star recruits which is “top.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yikityyakirish 0 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 your =\= you're Thank you I will fix immediately....please forgive me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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