Trump supporters?

[irishwavend]

Originally Posted by ELDER06

Tolerable, but how could anyone be on the same side on this little b1tch? He looks like Travis Bickle with Aids

https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/sta...286142465?s=21

https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/sta...145000961?s=21

Dude, the one post got destroyed. The other one is a bunch of apologists who don't understand the evolution of civilization. It wasn't pretty, but all of that happened over 100,000 years to culminate into what we have now - civil society. Borders are paramount to protect the values of the various cultures as they continue the march forward for humanity in each country's own way. A lot of these apologists make me sick...

As far as Pete, I think he takes his time to think about his positions, which is what I really like, even if I don't agree with them. But, he has his fatal flaw which is going to wipe out entire blocks of voters who are already trending towards Trump in ways the Dems can't afford...even without the apathy Pete will create in them. The discrimination is quite ironic. Van Jones was on air telling Dems that they need to get their sh** together, because Trump is actually providing tangible improvements to minorities that minorities are recognizing.

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by coltssb

I could say the same for the spray tanned orange gorilla that sputters out word fragments. But I won’t...

Also, it’s not like what he said wasn’t true. I’m ok with that. I also wasn’t around killing or enslaving blacks. BUT, I also don’t want to be blamed for those atrocities.

Is it true? None of my ancestors were part of the colonies or held slaves.

[jessemoore97]

Originally Posted by coltssb

I could say the same for the spray tanned orange gorilla that sputters out word fragments. But I won’t...

Also, it’s not like what he said wasn’t true. I’m ok with that. I also wasn’t around killing or enslaving blacks. BUT, I also don’t want to be blamed for those atrocities.

So you agree with this simplified and inaccurate virtue signaling rendition of history?

[coltssb]

Originally Posted by jessemoore97

So you agree with this simplified and inaccurate virtue signaling rendition of history?

It’s hard to argue with some facts when multiple books have come out that Columbus enslaved and brought disease to Haitians almost wiping out most of their population.
Also, did America not have a civil war over slavery? Sorry Jesse, I’m not understanding your question or disagreement with?

[coltssb]

Originally Posted by ELDER06

Is it true? None of my ancestors were part of the colonies or held slaves.

I should had maybe worded a little differently. But yes, ALOT of whites did not own or murder slaves. But it did happen regardless I think is the point.

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by jessemoore97

So you agree with this simplified and inaccurate virtue signaling rendition of history?

He has no business being at Harvard. His white privileged stole a spot than belongs to some Asian kid. He should’ve gone to Florida St where everyone else is a huge f’n dipsh1t

[jessemoore97]

Originally Posted by coltssb

It’s hard to argue with some facts when multiple books have come out that Columbus enslaved and brought disease to Haitians almost wiping out most of their population.
Also, did America not have a civil war over slavery? Sorry Jesse, I’m not understanding your question or disagreement with?

The disease argument is extremely flawed, especially when considering the intent motive that is commonly and aggressively played by revisionist PC history. The first premise relies on the acceptance of germ theory at that point in history and throughout early American history. It wasn't at all, and tales have been weaved espousing how natives were intentionally exposed to horrific disease that wiped out large swaths of the populations by the evil Europeans. I don't see East Asia being blamed for the Bubonic Plague that wiped out large swaths of Europe. Deadly outbreaks of any disease cannot be directly attributed as motive by any one culture to destroy another without the knowledge to do so.

The second premise pertaining to slavery is also flawed and not as cut and dry as people like to portray it being. Disclaimer, slavery IS EVIL and I utterly condemn it. That being said, claiming Columbus or any other European and their descendants are solely responsible for all the evils of slavery is very myopic. We have been inundated with stories and images of the "noble savage" narrative towards native cultures. Why is it excusable for them to have carried out genocidal wars with other native cultures, taken slaves, and used those conquered enemies/slaves as human sacrifice in religious practice?

In another instance explaining conquered peoples, recall Tecumsah's role in early American history. His united tribes of people decided to side with the British in their war against America. His confederacy eventually lost and were a conquered people along with their land. Wars have consequences, winners and losers.

All I'm saying is history is very complex and people need to dig a lot deeper into the causes and effects of what actually happened, minus the lens of political correctness and its misguided agenda of blaming European culture for all historical ills. Yes a very small group if European and their descendants owned slaves. Yes native culture in the Americas was drastically altered with European colonialism.

[TheRizz]

Interesting home work assignment

Which political party used slaves first ?

[jbrown_9999]

Originally Posted by TheRizz

Interesting home work assignment

Which political party used slaves first ?

I guessing that this might involve looking at parties like the Federalists and Democratic-Republicans (a/k/a "Jeffersonian Republicans")

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by jbrown_9999

I guessing that this might involve looking at parties like the Federalists and Democratic-Republicans (a/k/a "Jeffersonian Republicans")

The President who freed the slaves was from which party?

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by jessemoore97

The disease argument is extremely flawed, especially when considering the intent motive that is commonly and aggressively played by revisionist PC history. The first premise relies on the acceptance of germ theory at that point in history and throughout early American history. It wasn't at all, and tales have been weaved espousing how natives were intentionally exposed to horrific disease that wiped out large swaths of the populations by the evil Europeans. I don't see East Asia being blamed for the Bubonic Plague that wiped out large swaths of Europe. Deadly outbreaks of any disease cannot be directly attributed as motive by any one culture to destroy another without the knowledge to do so.

The second premise pertaining to slavery is also flawed and not as cut and dry as people like to portray it being. Disclaimer, slavery IS EVIL and I utterly condemn it. That being said, claiming Columbus or any other European and their descendants are solely responsible for all the evils of slavery is very myopic. We have been inundated with stories and images of the "noble savage" narrative towards native cultures. Why is it excusable for them to have carried out genocidal wars with other native cultures, taken slaves, and used those conquered enemies/slaves as human sacrifice in religious practice?

In another instance explaining conquered peoples, recall Tecumsah's role in early American history. His united tribes of people decided to side with the British in their war against America. His confederacy eventually lost and were a conquered people along with their land. Wars have consequences, winners and losers.

All I'm saying is history is very complex and people need to dig a lot deeper into the causes and effects of what actually happened, minus the lens of political correctness and its misguided agenda of blaming European culture for all historical ills. Yes a very small group if European and their descendants owned slaves. Yes native culture in the Americas was drastically altered with European colonialism.

The Left: “anything to do with White Western Society is bad.” The s**t gets old when these people don’t realize how much better first world countries have than the rest of the world. Columbus wasn’t a Saint, but neither were most influential people in history. MLK was an adulterer, Susan B Anthony was a racist, Ghandi was a womanizer and sexist, even Mother Teresa was kind of a b1tch. The world is very gray and complex bc it’s run by human beings.

[ELDER06]

Pandering Pete

https://twitter.com/petebuttigieg/st...330521090?s=21

Let’s ignore the fact the guy who killed him was Hispanic. Still, I can stomach the idiotic SJW bull s**t if you just fck off and don’t raise my taxes.

[GunSlinger]

Originally Posted by ELDER06

Pandering Pete

https://twitter.com/petebuttigieg/st...330521090?s=21

Let’s ignore the fact the guy who killed him was Hispanic. Still, I can stomach the idiotic SJW bull s**t if you just fck off and don’t raise my taxes.

That Tweet is just absurd.

[coltssb]

Originally Posted by ELDER06

Pandering Pete

https://twitter.com/petebuttigieg/st...330521090?s=21

Let’s ignore the fact the guy who killed him was Hispanic. Still, I can stomach the idiotic SJW bull s**t if you just fck off and don’t raise my taxes.

Missed the mark a little I think. But I think you did exactly what Liberals tend to do with Trump and his tweets. You completely mis-generalized his whole tweet.

[coltssb]

Originally Posted by ELDER06

The Left: “anything to do with White Western Society is bad.” The s**t gets old when these people don’t realize how much better first world countries have than the rest of the world. Columbus wasn’t a Saint, but neither were most influential people in history. MLK was an adulterer, Susan B Anthony was a racist, Ghandi was a womanizer and sexist, even Mother Teresa was kind of a b1tch. The world is very gray and complex bc it’s run by human beings.

If it’s gray, why do you keep lumping Democrats in one basket. I don’t think every republican is a redneck hillbilly from south, that sleeps with his sister and jacks off to his gun. We are all pretty much together. Please stop generalizing what Democrats all think....

Jesse thanks for the post. About to go play a little softball but I’ll respond soon.

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by coltssb

If it’s gray, why do you keep lumping Democrats in one basket. I don’t think every republican is a redneck hillbilly from south, that sleeps with his sister and jacks off to his gun. We are all pretty much together. Please stop generalizing what Democrats all think....

Jesse thanks for the post. About to go play a little softball but I’ll respond soon.

I don’t think all Dems are like that. However, I think the majority of Dem Candidates are socialist, SJW pandering idiots. I was very disappointed in Biden’s performance in Iowa.

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by coltssb

Missed the mark a little I think. But I think you did exactly what Liberals tend to do with Trump and his tweets. You completely mis-generalized his whole tweet.

What’s to misunderstand? He said it was White supremacy that killed him and it wasn’t. The guy who killed him is Hispanic. Regardless of how you feel about the incident, this is just a lie. However, I can tolerate the preening SJW idiocy as long as we don’t elect a fckin Socialist.

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by GunSlinger

That Tweet is just absurd.

I like the Carte Blanche way the media moves biracial ppl bw races. Tiger Woods and Obama are black bc they’re superstars, George Zimmerman is white bc he shot a black kid.

[jessemoore97]

Originally Posted by ELDER06

I don’t think all Dems are like that. However, I think the majority of Dem Candidates are socialist, SJW pandering idiots. I was very disappointed in Biden’s performance in Iowa.

Agree. For all the muh democratic socialsim Bernie spouts, in the end he's a rich old guy with four mansions. Warren for being green this and green that does like to fly private jets, but then tries to hide behind a staffer when recorded gettiing off one. Needless to say they are all charlatans do as I say not as I do opportunists.

[irishwavend]

The other day I had a thought...think about these folks who have no real chance of becoming president and the money they're spending...or heck, even the ones that do. What is Bloomberg spending? I think he spent $300M on ads in Iowa and is poised to double that, now. Here is a guy who has succeeded. He was a middle class kid who figured out how to make money in business, and now, he's chasing the Presidency.

How about his, Mike...? You want to make a difference? Take those millions of dollars and set up centers of entrepreneurship in the inner city and teach folks how to make their own wealth. You clearly have the secret. You clearly had the values. Now, teach a man to fish.

We are at a remarkable time in history where the overhead to start a business is almost zero. You can set up an Etsy page for nothing and list products for nearly nothing. You can literally sell anything. You can advertise for nothing. Could you imagine how far $1B could go to help underprivileged folks take control of their lives versus living on the government dime?

The politics has to stop and the pragmatic has to take over. If Bernie really cared, he'd sell two or three of those mansions and do what I said, above. Could you imagine if we taught underprivileged folks how to pool their money with a partner like Bernie who would fund outstanding amounts, and take ownership of a corporation through stock purchases? The potential is there, but none of these guys truly give a sh**. This is actually the appeal of Trump. He does these sorts of things for folks - tangible reforms and benefits that folks can actually see.

[ELDER06]

Originally Posted by jessemoore97

Agree. For all the muh democratic socialsim Bernie spouts, in the end he's a rich old guy with four mansions. Warren for being green this and green that does like to fly private jets, but then tries to hide behind a staffer when recorded gettiing off one. Needless to say they are all charlatans do as I say not as I do opportunists.

Warren is the worst at pandering. She actually wants a trans kid to interview the Secretary of a Education. You’re bending over backwards for a microscopic % of the population just bc that’s the new “hot” issue.

[Jim2Dokes]

This board is impossible to have an intelligent, casual conversation. Comparing Columbus (who killed babies and raped children) to Mother Teresa, I mean I give up. This is ridiculous. Done with this BS. I will Talk about Nd football and recruiting elsewhere.

[coltssb]

Originally Posted by ELDER06

What’s to misunderstand? He said it was White supremacy that killed him and it wasn’t. The guy who killed him is Hispanic. Regardless of how you feel about the incident, this is just a lie. However, I can tolerate the preening SJW idiocy as long as we don’t elect a fckin Socialist.

Ok, I’ll take a stab at his tweet. He was referencing Martin because it was his birthday. He then hit enter and started a NEW paragraph/thought about gun violence and how most of the mass murders have been white. If you followed him, you know he is pandering to the black vote because that’s where he is lacking because of the cop incident in South Bend. He lost support taking the police’s side.(which I’m sure you’re happy about). It’s grab tweet. It’s one tweet.

Shall we analyze some of Trumps? I doubt you would want to go there....

[coltssb]

Originally Posted by jessemoore97

The disease argument is extremely flawed, especially when considering the intent motive that is commonly and aggressively played by revisionist PC history. The first premise relies on the acceptance of germ theory at that point in history and throughout early American history. It wasn't at all, and tales have been weaved espousing how natives were intentionally exposed to horrific disease that wiped out large swaths of the populations by the evil Europeans. I don't see East Asia being blamed for the Bubonic Plague that wiped out large swaths of Europe. Deadly outbreaks of any disease cannot be directly attributed as motive by any one culture to destroy another without the knowledge to do so.

The second premise pertaining to slavery is also flawed and not as cut and dry as people like to portray it being. Disclaimer, slavery IS EVIL and I utterly condemn it. That being said, claiming Columbus or any other European and their descendants are solely responsible for all the evils of slavery is very myopic. We have been inundated with stories and images of the "noble savage" narrative towards native cultures. Why is it excusable for them to have carried out genocidal wars with other native cultures, taken slaves, and used those conquered enemies/slaves as human sacrifice in religious practice?

In another instance explaining conquered peoples, recall Tecumsah's role in early American history. His united tribes of people decided to side with the British in their war against America. His confederacy eventually lost and were a conquered people along with their land. Wars have consequences, winners and losers.

All I'm saying is history is very complex and people need to dig a lot deeper into the causes and effects of what actually happened, minus the lens of political correctness and its misguided agenda of blaming European culture for all historical ills. Yes a very small group if European and their descendants owned slaves. Yes native culture in the Americas was drastically altered with European colonialism.

Sorry Jesse been busy...
First off, I will say I am NOT in favor of tearing down Columbus’s statues or getting rid of Columbus Day. Actually, I oppose any statue being torn down even if it was built in 1970. I love history and think we can only learn from our past mistakes.
Anyways, I don’t think the Europeans or Columbus himself brought disease on purpose or eradicated the Indians for the fun of it. But just like any disease-look at the coronavirus- it can spread quickly. Especially, if not understood on exactly how dangerous it is, it can be genocidal. So, yes, I do believe in the “germ theory.”
According to Jill Lepore and Howard Zinn, the Indians had 3m people living before Columbus and finished with around 5,000, afterwards. Viruses can spread pretty simple if you’ve never had contact with the outside world. Why do you think they let the indigenous people in South America be?
Also, Columbus and crew did rape, pillaged, and enslaved the Indians. They have documents of Columbus saying as much. He considered the Indians dumb, yet strong. Easily manipulated and would be good workers. Regardless, I think about what would happen if we were to have an apocalyptic US? You know damn sure that their would be raping and pillaging of the weak. Too many strange people out there. Also, I think about the time period they lived in. Not much law, lots of wars, expansion and gold was priority A. Medicine and understanding disease was non-existent. So, did Columbus try to wipe out all the Indians with disease? Doubtful. But he did do some heinous acts while sailing the lands.
One last thing in terms of slaves. That’s been going on since the Bible. So, it’s not unimaginable. We did just have slaves 160 years ago....

[irishwavend]

Originally Posted by Jim2Dokes

This board is impossible to have an intelligent, casual conversation. Comparing Columbus (who killed babies and raped children) to Mother Teresa, I mean I give up. This is ridiculous. Done with this BS. I will Talk about Nd football and recruiting elsewhere.

I guess you missed the part where this is the "Open" forum... You can still go limit your discussion to Recruiting and Football in the proper forum. But, you ignore the world in which Columbus lived. You act like everyone aside from Europeans was innocent when they were just as brutal, if not worst, in their conquests. It was conquer or be conquered. Europeans simply had more in their arsenal, but don't think for a moment, that the people of the Americas wouldn't have ripped out some hearts and taken Europe in the same manner, or worse. Grow a pair...